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mcgillianaire ([personal profile] mcgillianaire) wrote2008-11-03 05:40 pm

India Then... India Now

There used to be a time when I was embarrassed by my Indianness. All through elementary and middle school, all things Indian were treated with scant respect by my peers. The situation improved in high school but more often than not, all things Indian evoked negativity. Then I went to uni and things started to change dramatically. India was no longer just a pariah state. Some people had actually been to India. It seems incredulous to believe that hardly anyone I went to school with in Oman had ever visited India. Mumbai was less than a two hour flight from Muscat! In fact if I'm not mistaken, barely a handful of the kids I went to school with from the age of 6 to 18 (I did my entire schooling in one institution) had been to India. In one case, the mum of one of my best friend's in my graduating year (2001/2) was enamored by Indian culture, but refused to visit because it was too dirty and was worried that she would contract some incurable disease. She didn't exactly say the bit about the incurable disease but she might as well have done. It's probably how a lot of other parents felt.

It's incredible how people's perceptions and attitudes can change in such a short period. Almost everybody I meet now, especially since my move to London, have nothing but good things to say about India. The first thing everybody says without fail when I tell them about my Indian heritage is whether they have visited or that they would love to visit India. The ones who've visited it have been to places even my parents haven't been to and they've both traveled it extensively. (My mum's even had the opportunity to visit Kashmir back in the 70s). The ones who haven't visited know somebody really well or are related to someone who has been to India. Perhaps it might just be a British adolescence thing? Whether it is or not is immaterial. India is just as dirty now as it was five or ten years ago, but by simply visiting it people's perceptions and attitudes towards and of it have completely changed.

Other changes have also been taking place. The Indian economy has entered the news for usually the right reasons in the last few years. Bollywood is going global. Curry is this land's favourite dish. Indian sportspersons are reemerging on the scene in a world driven by professionalism. The diaspora is 20+ million strong and ever-growing. A lot of the diaspora communities are among the most successful in their adopted country. Some of the world's richest people are Indian. We've just launched our first-ever lunar exploration. The list goes on. None of these changes however should take away from the depressing fact that there are more poor people in India than any other country in the world. I can't remember the exact figures but I think it's something like half the world's poorest people live in India. It doesn't help that we are less than twenty years from becoming the world's most populous country, but it is still the world's worst economic statistic.

Perhaps I'm just getting older and the people I meet are more mature than my peers in school, but I feel like there has also been a drastic change in perceptions towards India in the last six years. Even when I joined uni just over six years ago, the negativity still permeated to the surface more than the positivity that has now taken over. There are probably more problems in India now than ever before (what with the situations in Kashmir, Assam & Orissa deteriorating by the day, and not to mention Naxalism, the Thackeray thugs making a mockery of the rule of law and so on). All these problems are taking place as more people visit India than ever before. It's an interesting trend but one that I am both happy and concerned about. I'm happy because I'm more proud than ever to mention my Indian heritage. I'm concerned because violence is on the upswing in India and that could affect my friends and family. The last thing I want is an increase in the violence directed at foreigners and tourists. I don't want people to stop visiting India because it's one of those countries which you really need to add to your social CV. And I am saying that because I am from India. It's organised chaos personified. It's vibrant. It's colourful. It's filthy. It's overcrowded. It's a beautiful country. If you ever imagined what it would be like for a functioning society to occupy an abandoned block of flats stripped down to its bare essentials with exposed walls, pipes, wires etc and went about their daily business like everything was normal, with piecemeal improvements made from time-to-time, then that's India for you. It's one big functioning democratic mobocracy.

Anyways, I'm not sure where I wanted to take this post but just wanted to get some thoughts off my mind. Amidst everything I've written above, the point I wanted to finally make was that recently I met someone who had visited India and loved all things Indian. Somewhere during our conversation he stopped me and said something which nobody has ever said to me before: "You should be proud to be Indian. It's such a great country." I was like eh?! If only he knew what I really felt about India... and after everything I've experienced in life, if also he only knew exactly how I felt to hear somebody telling me just that. :) [The song below inspired this post. Brought back some memories...]

[identity profile] brinker.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
We come from two very different backgrounds, ranging from America vs. India, to the fact that you grew up as an expat and I only left 7 yrs ago (wow that seems like a long time ago.) But I do identify with some of what you're saying. Having people not like your home country... isn't exactly something you think about in a conscious way (or at least you stop thinking about it much after a while) but it does wear on you and irritate you.

I guess our experience is somewhat different in an opposite sort of way, also. Plenty of Omanis (and others) tell me they want to visit America. Everyone seems to want to visit America. Hollywood has turned it into this sort of fairy land where everything is romantic and wonderful. But I also know that, at the core, despite their being dazzled by the country they think it is (which it certainly isn't) they despise it.

Hmm... an interesting dichotomy, really. Here in Oman at least, I don't think any Omanis (or, sadly, even many westerners) would feel ashamed to say they didn't want to go to India. But likewise, no one really hates it. It's a rather neutral entity, really... In contrast to America, which everyone wants to see and everyone loves to hate.

Hrm... not sure where I'm going with my comment, either, other than just to say I do kind of know what you mean. I remember being in the UK and talking to people and realizing they didn't hate me for being American... and it was a weirdly pleasant feeling, too.

Think this deserves a longer post in my own LJ, though.... so I'll end my comments here and see about writing something up myself.

[identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com 2008-11-05 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
>it does wear on you and irritate you.
Exactly!

>Everyone seems to want to visit America ... despite their being dazzled by the country they think it is they despise it.
Good point! I know quite a few people like this unfortunately...

>... and it was a weirdly pleasant feeling, too.
Exactly. Like you said, it's not something you think about consciously but when the nice words come along it certainly makes a difference.

Look forward to a post about it! Thanks for commenting. :)

[identity profile] drunkendeadcat.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I think attitudes are changing although the 'shool-yard mentality' is still around from what I hear my brother is half-pakistani and he gets some racial remarks thrown towards him now and again but not as much as say his Dad did for example

[identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
ah fair nuff. i did feel like when my sis entered high school, the attitudes towards things indian had changed for the better (ever so slightly, though seemingly noticeably so) and she's just four years younger than me. it might've also had to do with the fact that there were just so many more subcontinentals in her here by proportion compared to mine and that she was very popular in here year while i wasn't.

[identity profile] drunkendeadcat.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
oh yeh I think you've hit the nail on the head there - schools are much more diverse now.

[identity profile] messicat.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I've loved Indian since long before I'd heard of Bollywood.

I grew up around Indians and always had Indian friends. It always fascinated me. And I have always wanted to go to India.

Moving to Fiji certainly made me even more interested in India. And now it's the number one place I want to go!

Of course, Bollywood helps this international growing interest in India, but it's more than that. The sport and lunar stuff is gaining a lot of positive attention. The chaos of it fascinates me.

[identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com 2008-11-05 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
We need more people like you in the world!!! :)

When did you move to Fiji?

[identity profile] daft.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately the "India is dirty and you'll get some pestilent disease there" attitude still prevails with some people. I pretty much never talk about my interest in visiting India and studying Indian culture with my Brother-in-Law* and his wife since they did this sort of automatic recoil the first time I brought it up.

Of course, they're also both psychotically OCD and carry around handfuls of napkins in case they have to touch a doorknob in a public place.

* I guess I should clarify that he's not a full "in-Law" until after the wedding, but most people give me blank looks when I refer to him as my "Brother-in-Sin".

[identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com 2008-11-05 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting! And you're right, unfortunate as it is these attitudes prevail even amongst the best of us. :(

And thanks for highlighting the bit about Brother-in-Law/Sin... I'd overlooked the fact that the "in-Law" comes literally from the legal affinity between such relations. I've come across quite a few cases in which the judges refer to the defendants as 'living in sin' and hadn't yet made the simple connection. :)

[identity profile] daft.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
It's a little bit disturbing to me personally if I think about it, as it implies that the opposite of a legal arrangement is one of religious damnation. I should probably stop using the term :P I suppose it probably dates from a time when the word of the Clergy was considered "law".

[identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
>I suppose it probably dates from a time when the word of the Clergy was considered "law".
Exactly. Canon law influenced the common law quite substantially but our morals today are quite different than what they were even 100 years ago.

[identity profile] miss-s-b.livejournal.com 2008-11-03 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I grew up in and around Bradford. I know and respect various incarnations of Indian culture. I'd love to visit; I picture the cities as being how Terry Pratchett describes Anhk-Morpork - do you read Pratchett? - rich and vibrant and poor and dirty and diverse and culture-filled and glorious. One day I'll have enough money to go - but I'll have to work out a time when it's cool enough for me. I don't deal well with heat.

[identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com 2008-11-05 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I've tried Pratchett a long time ago... his Good Omens collaboration with Gaiman. I was 11/12 and didn't like it. Granted, I've never been a fan of fiction and fantasy is my least favourite genre. That said, I might be inclined to give him another chance when my course finishes...

But yes, that's a fit description. Weather is important. It's not just the heat, there's also the humidity and power cuts to contend with. I'd recommend Nov/Dec as the best time to go. There's a bit of rain and it's the 'coolest' time. And I wish someone would heed my advice and visit the South instead of just the North... though as is often said, there are two types of people in the world. Those who have seen the Taj Mahal and those who haven't!

[identity profile] miss-s-b.livejournal.com 2008-11-05 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I could get someone to take me for my birthday some time! LOL.

I reckon I'd take my dad's advice on which bits to visit, though. He'd know where the good wildlife is. I want to see giant squirrels!

[identity profile] chu_hi.livejournal.com 2008-11-05 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
India Love! <3

(says the wannabe)

[identity profile] busybodies.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if it's more a sign of changing attitudes than the change in the people you're coming into contact with. Your school didn't have very many asians in it and the ones that were there were westernised, or more so than students of the Indian/Sri Lankan schools. I think growing up in oman cuts you off from your home country and unless you're in your own community, you end up never knowing it completely. it's hell confusing for an expat child because it's something we have to face/come to terms with eventually. I went to an indian school all my life, so i never faced what you did in school. the brits/canadians etc who were students grew up on indian history and geography, made indian friends and ended up going to india for summer hols at some point in their life. the kids who joined in the senior grades found it harder to cope with the work, but integrating wasn't an issue. maybe living in such a small town had something to do with it because the westerners in salalah were much more open to visiting india and sri lanka (and a lot of my brit friends have, and wanted to go back)... and this was in the mid 90s-2004. muscat's a bigger place and there are plenty of your own community to stick with which, i think, means being exposed to other communities less.
anyways... not sure what i wanted to say initially but this is an interesting post. one thing i always wished was that sri lankans were prouder of our country like the indians are of theirs. We could learn a lesson or two from you :)