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It is pleasing to read about the dedication with which the Democrats appear to be devoting to their mission to bring back American troops from Iraq. If only our own politicians were as rooted in reality to do the same thing about our troops. Britain would be safer.

The problem with the Iraq War, was that it was America's experiment to illustrate loud and clear, that it was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. The world's only superpower. The biggest economy. The world's biggest freedom-loving, blah blah blah. Thankfully, the intended result of this colossally misguided adventure, has failed miserably. But what is particularly worrying, is not the American failure, which in hindsight, was not really surprising, but the disturbing trend of intense internal violence. For this, I cannot in anyway blame the Americans. No, this is an Islamic issue. For what kind of society condones the kind of indiscriminate violence that is taking place everyday, often, several times a day, all over the country? Initially, we all thought that it would be a temporary phenomenon, but after four years of such inhumane violence, it has obviously turned out to be anything but a phenomenon. It has in effect become the normal way of life in post-War Iraq. And though it is a real and tragic consequence of America's intrusion, I do not believe that it was their fault, or of their doing.

All that said and done, I didn't agree with the reasons America & Britain went to war in the first place, and now that they have found themselves in a quagmire, I think it would be best for both of them to get the hell out. Or at the very least, Britain. The Americans can choose to do what they want, but I think it would also be in their interest to get out. But don't get me wrong. I don't want us to pull out because it will make our citizens safer if we are seen to be acknowledging the oft-repeated claim that Western aggression and its military presence in Islamic countries inspires the terrorists. No, not at all. I don't think we're safe anywhere in the world, regardless of whether we remain in Iraq or not. And the same goes for Afghanistan and any other country with an Anglo-American presence.

I want our troops pulled out because it is a waste of our taxes. Why should we waste so much money on funding a war that never intended to protect us in the first place? It is silly to continue deluding ourselves that every extra day in Iraq will contribute to its future stability. It is indeed an unfortunate turn of events that our role in Iraq has been reduced to that of ensuring stability, instead of rooting out the terrorists, as originally intended (supposedly). Moreover, if it isn't obvious today that Iraq is NOT the focal point of our threat from global terrorism, then I honestly don't think we will ever solve the problem, and if we do, at a greater cost than should've been necessary. The best thing we can do right now is to get out and let the Iraqis deal with themselves. We will be much better off spending those extra taxes on protecting ourselves at home, and in other constructive ways to fight the War on Terror (whatever that means). In fact, how about pulling the troops back and investing the money on that new National Border Force, that Gordy has talked about. That'd be a good place as any to start making progress, innit?

Date: 2007-07-26 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
iraq war is waste of money, time and thousands of innocent lives..terrible decision by the Bush admin BUT Britain is also to blame for this..why didn't they say NO to his madness and now see the mess created in the most volatile part of the world, see:http://www.thenewsroom.com/details/535020/US?c_id=wom-bc-bg

being an ally does not mean u jump down the cliff if ur friend asks u to do so..what happened to reasonable thinking and saying NO when things go wrong??

bhumika
politics desk,the newsroom

Date: 2007-07-26 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com
I totally agree that Britain is also to blame for signing up so readily, but there is no doubt in my mind that the War itself was an American creation, and that's worse. One could say that Britain were lured into a war that they believed was the right thing to do, which was different from America's position, which I contend, went into the War knowing exactly what it wanted (to do), and it was not the same as what it publicly reported, and might've used to convince the British. Hypothetically speaking. That said, I don't for a second believe this is actually what transpired between the British and the Americans.

Date: 2007-07-27 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elodie21.livejournal.com
Can you clarify this if oil was actually a motive? Is it true that US wants trade pacts signed which would let American companies use part of the oil...?

Again referring to an article I read, it seems even the Democrats are stuck. they quoted the example of a Tim Walz who regularly argues against the presence of troops. But where suggestions break down is the 'how' part. How to pull back, what will then happen. They also don't to lose face. They helped destroy a country, running away now is really easy. Democrats know they want the troops out but beyond that, there is no consensus...

Date: 2007-07-28 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcgillianaire.livejournal.com
No, oil was not the motive. The US could've signed trade pacts with Saddam without going to war. They've got oil pacts with other autocrats, the world over. (It is true that Saddam was one of the worst of the lot, but there are still others who reign free.)



Date: 2007-07-29 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elodie21.livejournal.com
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

Read this article and its from BBC...hence I was wondering...

Date: 2007-07-27 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lctrc-gtr-dde.livejournal.com
The Iraq war for me is like a hornet's nest in your neighbour's garden. Unpleasant, but worse when you try to remove it by poking a stick into it and stirring it around. To then shrug, blame the hornets for being uncooperative, and then walk away saying 'your problem' seems rather inappropriate.

Thankfully, ... failed miserably.
Hmm.. I for one would have been happier to have been proven wrong.

For this, I cannot in anyway blame the Americans.
I can. What we see today was predictable and indeed predicted by many. And for not heeding these warnings, I can blame the Americans and the British and the Australians. And by blame I mean hold responsible.

condones
I don't really see this to be honest. Muslims seem to do what I do: stand by and watch. We are talking about a (yet another) section of humanity that respects the power of violence. When faced with this, most people just shrug and go about their business. I can't blame Muslims specifically for being no different.

Islamic issue
No. I'd comment further, but I'd be interested to know why you claim it is.

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